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U.S. Government to blame for Oil spill

May 22nd 2010 14:57
Last Month’s oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico was really the fault of the U.S. Government. Let me show you the facts, and you can decide if you agree with me or not. In 1990, Congress passed a law that did 2 bad things. First, it capped oil company liability for spills at $75 million. Second, it created a fund, paid for by the oil companies, to pay for the rest of the cleanup. Basically, this is a government run oil spill insurance program, but without the risk management provided by real insurance companies. This whole scheme came about as a direct result of the rich oil companies lobbying Congress to get themselves some protection and someone to share the risks for offshore oil drilling.

Now this fund has been used a whopping 51 times to pay for spill cleanups, meaning 51 times the costs have exceeded the cap. That alone should have raised a red flag and caused Congress to rethink the whole idea. But because of the liability cap, BP may have been less cautious than it would have been if only it’s own money was at stake.
And everyone will say that we need to regulate them more, but in reality that doesn’t work and I’ll you why. Government regulators don’t have the profit and loss incentive that private insurance companies do. They also tend to impose one size fits all rules that don’t work as well as the site specific requirements that private insurance companies would impose. Worst of all , government regulators tend to act as partners in the industry they regulate, not as watchdogs.
If we had a free market in energy, then oil companies would be responsible for ALL the damage they cause, which would compel them to seek liability insurance in the private market. This would be great because then the insurance companies would do the 2 things that are not being done now. First, they would demand the strictest standards to prevent accidents and spills, because they, unlike government regulators, would be financially responsible for any accidents. Second, if the risks were too great they would deny coverage and the drilling would most likely not be done. If offshore drilling is too risky, then that means no one in a free market would invest in it. This would then provide a huge incentive to entrepreneurs to develop less risky energy alternatives. The bottom line is less government regulation and true free market in energy would actually reduce accidents and create a cleaner environment.

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Comment by quickfingers

May 23rd 2010 11:26
I agree with you that a business should be held liable for damages caused in any realm, not just energy. This is the cost of doing business. Cigarette companies are a prime example. If a product causes direct/indirect harm to any person(s), then that company must pay for its mistake. BP, or any oil company for that matter, is no different.


However, I disagree with you in regard to the regulations and/or regulators. We must have regulations, and those who enforce those regulations, in order to make sure businesses aren't trying to 'get away with something,' because, let's face it, they will most certainly try if they think they can get away with it.


It's like the normally 'honest person' that does something dishonest, because no one is looking. Companies are the same way. If regulators are not watching them with a hawk-eye, they may think that they can get away with it, thus causing a potentially hazardous problem.


Whether the regulators are shady or not, is a different topic altogether. Let's try not to lump the two issues in to the same reason why this happened. It's not the 'regulator position' that is the problem, it is that particular regulator. The job serves a purpose, but some people become 'tied up' in the monetary mafia that is big business.

Comment by Libertyislife

May 23rd 2010 15:11
If you think government regulation is the solution, then you are a fool and part of the problem.

Comment by quickfingers

May 23rd 2010 16:33
If you think deregulation is the answer, you sir, are the fool and you ARE the problem; not just part of it.

You yourself said:
"Worst of all , government regulators tend to act as partners in the industry they regulate, not as watchdogs."

Essentially what you are saying is that the regulators are NOT doing their job the way it was intended. This means that you DO agree that regulators serve a valid purpose; if you thought differently you wouldn't have said "Worst of all. . . "

I assumed you would've been a little more intellectually responsive; that is what I get for assuming. You are simply running your mouth, and I have wasted my time trying to use any intellectual thought to engage you in conversation. I had plenty more to say on the problems that face us, which are directly caused by Reagan's policies of deregulation, but it's fairly obvious that you will continue calling names and blabbing without actually saying anything.


Comment by Libertyislife

May 23rd 2010 20:53
There is no point in being intellectual with people like you who want to believe that more government is always the solution. You say in your response that regulators are required to keep the companies in check. What you fail to acknowledge is that government regulators have no repercussions if they fail to properly regulate, while private insurance regulators stand to lose all, financially speaking. That is what would make them better than government regulators and that is what make you a fool - your lack of the intelligence to see this that you think you have. I stand by my initial response and add 1 more thing to it. You are a stupid, foolish person who cannot understand the true intelligence I represent with my viewpoint. Now go away and stop wasting my time with your stupidity.

Comment by quickfingers

May 23rd 2010 22:49
You just proved my point sir, thank you. 'nuff said.

Comment by Libertyislife

May 24th 2010 01:07
And you proved mine. I never said deregulate, I said private insurance regulation, yet you did not even see that. You were arguing with your stupid self the entire time. Too funny!

Comment by Anonymous

May 24th 2010 14:02
Dear Libertyislife
An intelligent person wouldn't have to continually try to convince everyone that they are intelligent, people just know from speaking to them and you have a very low intelligence.
Stop watching Fox news and listening to all their propoganda and use your own brain by researching the topic on which your are speaking, that will help raise your intelligence level.
Anyone who resides on this planet and backs corporations over the people are idiotic.
Businesses of all types should have regulations enforced by regulators that look out for the interests of the people who pay their salaries through government tax dollars.
If a business can't operate within the guidelines set up for the safety and well-being of the people they are not qualified to run a business in the first place.
An intelligent person would be calling for the heads of any politician that sells their country or the people down the drain for campaign contributions and if you spend your time fighting to help corporations then you don't love this country anyway.
Instead of calling people names and attacking them on personal level try doing something real for the United States of America before she disappears and our whole way of life along with her.

Comment by Libertyislife

May 24th 2010 16:35
Shutup, fool. You are the one with no intelligence if you really think that the government and politicians have our best interests at heart. The only way to get corporations to behave is to make them pay financially when they screw up. The politicians enact protective caps on their financial responsibility to get campaign contributions. Without those caps, they would indeed have to be more careful. You sound like all the other bleeding heart liberals that think the government is going to save us all. They are the ones selling us down the river for a few campaign contributions. How you see what I wrote as 'fighting for corporations' just shows how unintelligent YOU are. No where in here did I say that the corporations were not to blame. What I said was that the U.S. government set us up for a situation like this by NOT allowing the oil companies to be completely financially responsible. You are just another fool who likes to rant and rave and say nothing. You are the one that is unAmerican and you should be ashamed of your own stupidity.

Comment by Anonymous

May 24th 2010 18:20
You aren't very old are you because you rant like a spoiled child that doesn't get it's way. Maybe you should have grown up before commenting on grown-up issues.
You love to scream about the semantics of words and of course like every spoiled child no one listens to you or understands what you are saying. You have no reasonable or logical response to any one just name calling and fit throwing.
GROW UP

Comment by Libertyislife

May 24th 2010 19:30
You need to get a life and a brain. Go away or I will insult and taunt you some more, stupid english kniggit! You are lower than pond scum.

Comment by Anonymous

May 24th 2010 21:53
Your response proves my point exactly.
Name calling is all you have. You can't insult me because I care not what your opinion of anything is but I notice you are still having a childish fit and it is obvious that you have anger issues so you continue to try to insult me and I will continue to make you mad so that you can have a baby fit.
Sounds fair to me.

Comment by quickfingers

May 24th 2010 22:01
This was my point initially. His arguments have absolutely no substance. This is the Republican mantra and has been for a long time. "When you're out of things to say, begin attacking on a personal level."

This response does not surprise me, because Liberty is Life is just a typical, run of the mill robot for the Republican party. The robot does what it is told to do; what it is programmed to do. That is all it can do, because it knows nothing else.

You are that robot Liberty. You probably always will be.


Comment by Libertyislife

May 25th 2010 01:11
I love when those of you that think you are intellectuals get way up there on your high horses. I will also love it when you come falling back to earth. I am not a republican. I am a registered and two time state legislature LIBERTARIAN candidate. You two bozos can drivel on all you want about how smart you are, but the truth is right in front of everyone's faces and those that are smart enough to realize that the government will NEVER be the solution to economic or social issues are starting to stand up for themselves. Please tell me where in the constitution you find the words 'Education', 'Healthcare' or 'Economy'. The constitution is quite specific. Any rights not specifically granted to the federal government belong to the states. Also known as the 10th Amendment. Maybe that is what bothers you about me. You know I am right, but you just cannot admit it to yourselves. Whatever the case, keep posting your self-absorbed nonsensical comments. Although they show no real thought, that in itself brings a smile to my face.

Yours in Liberty!

Comment by quickfingers

May 25th 2010 01:53
I like that. "candidate." It's obvious why he was only a candidate. I'm just glad that the people in your state were smart enough not to elect you. You know what they say: "third time's a charm."

Comment by Libertyislife

May 25th 2010 12:11
Funny. You're quite the commodian. And yes, I meant to spell it that way. However, in spite of your poor attempt at sarcasm, you are probably right. With the anti-establishment tide sweeping the nation, I would probably do well. However, I never ran for office with false hopes. I got to be the voice of reason at the debates. A candidate that actually answered the questions instead of peeing on their legs and telling them it was raining. I look forward to your next ridiculous, unintelligent comment, quirkyfingers.

Comment by Anonymous

May 25th 2010 12:14
I never claimed to be an intellectual I'm just not a dumb snot nosed punk like you.
When you did all this registering did you have your Mommy fill the papers out for you.
The governments one and only purpose is to protect the people and the peoples rights. No one on here except maybe you has claimed anything else.
Libertarians are idiots because if things were run the way they wanted there would be ANARCHY.
Like I said before GROW UP.

Comment by Libertyislife

May 25th 2010 12:48
You are the idiot. The good news is that as the future starts to unfold in the coming months, morons like you will get their just desserts. You will hope and pray for anarchy when the truth begins to unfold before your beady little eyes. I can only hope that I am nearby to see the stupid look on your face when you realize the truth, although I am probably giving you too much credit for being able to realize it. Good luck, Anonymous stupid-head. And tell your mommy I said hi!

Comment by quickfingers

May 25th 2010 12:59
The way you talk to people Liberty, you'll never get elected. Your voice isn't that of reason, but of a cynical cry-baby. You get all upset and begin calling names when things don't go your way.

You will never get anywhere in life mouthing off the way you do. Until you learn to control your emotions, your life will continue to be that of someone who lost. Just like you did in your last to "campaigns."


Comment by Anonymous

May 25th 2010 13:02
My Mommy said to tell the little kid Hello.
Actually I have rather large eyes that aren't beady but I guess that wouldn't occur to someone with your intelligence level.
The truth has already come out but because you have an aversion to the truth you haven't been able to see it.
Not to worry though because when you do finally grow up you will realize how stupid you really sound.
Anyone who advocates Anarchy cannot possibly have an intelligence at all.

Comment by Libertyislife

May 25th 2010 14:28
Too funny. I did not advocate anarchy. I merely said you would hope for it when the truth comes out. Please try to keep up.

Comment by Anonymous

May 25th 2010 16:19
You keep up the truth has already come out.
I know you hope and wish like crazy that the libertarian ideas are coming into power now but they can't win because of their extreme views. Just because a nut won the Republican nomination in Kentucky doesn't mean much.
The electorate as a whole will not elect a nut.
The anti-establishment fervor that has taken over the country is directed towards incumbents not any particular party.

Comment by quickfingers

May 27th 2010 11:02
I don't want to beat a dead horse Liberty, but I thought it was extremely pertinent to let you in on the tidbit of information that was just announced.

The owner of the rig, Transocean Ltd., was leasing the oil rig to BP. Transocean Ltd. had a similar incident in 1979 in which a rig caught on fire and sank in to the ocean which caused one of the largest spills (up to that point) in history.

Transocean, realizing their pricey loss of an oil rig, insured the oil rig in question for about twice what the rig is worth. After the current disaster, Transocean has actually profited off of this disaster due to this insurance payout.Their profit margin: 270 million dollars.

Now I understand you think the insurance company is the best regulatory body, but let's face it: when corporate interest meets corporate interest, nobody else's interests are taken in to account.






Comment by Libertyislife

May 27th 2010 11:24
Total BS propagated by the government. Show me the proof.

Comment by Libertyislife

May 27th 2010 11:27
The same government who's inspectors have been accused of accepting gifts from BP and Transocean, by the way.

Comment by quickfingers

May 27th 2010 11:41
Why would our government, the same one that loves insurance companies, make this up?

Our government doesn't want insurance companies to look bad; the senators and representatives make way to much money off of the oil industry AND the insurance industry.

Near the bottom. The insurance claim was 560mil, but Transocean was paid 401 mil.

Crooks and liars link.

Business Times Online.

Florida website


Take your pick man. I could post these links all day long, but I'm not going to.

The thing about me is that I have been hard-wired from college papers. I NEVER make a claim unless I can back it up with sources.

Comment by quickfingers

May 27th 2010 11:46
Just to be thorough, I thought I'd throw in a few more legitimate sources.

Huffington Post

NPR

Literally, the list could go on for a long time.

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